A friend is just after sending this to me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zcrssl/schism_in_jehovahs_witnesses_over_secret_abuse/
Lost in the fog
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The Spanish Inquisition.
by Lost in the fog ina friend is just after sending this to me.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/zcrssl/schism_in_jehovahs_witnesses_over_secret_abuse/.
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Trinity
by Lost in the fog inbumped into a former jw friend who since departing has joined a protestant church.. his explanation of the trinity is "think of the congregation service committee in the jw religion, the three people who locally made all of the decisions affecting the congregation.".
three people each with their own personality who individually were seen as the coordinator, the service overseer, and the secretary.
but who made decisions as a combined unit.. so on the midweek meeting it was announced that "the service committee has approved the following..." .
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Lost in the fog
Bumped into a former jw friend who since departing has joined a Protestant church.
His explanation of the Trinity is "think of the congregation service committee in the JW religion, the three people who locally made all of the decisions affecting the congregation."
Three people each with their own personality who individually were seen as the Coordinator, the Service Overseer, and the Secretary. But who made decisions as a combined unit.
So on the midweek meeting it was announced that "the Service Committee has approved the following..."
He says that is how he sees the Trinity, 3 separate people, but combined into one entity each knowing what the other knows, equal but not the same...
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I feel really sorry for them.
by Lost in the fog inpersonally i feel really sorry for these people.
free to do anything they want now because of changed circumstances they are deluded to waste more of their time and (no doubt) money putting in more time to this religious cult.. it breaks my heart reading their story.. https://www.thecharlottepost.com/news/2022/12/15/life-and-religion/living-the-balanced-and-more-focused-simple-life/.
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Personally I feel really sorry for these people. Free to do anything they want now because of changed circumstances they are deluded to waste more of their time and (no doubt) money putting in more time to this religious cult.
It breaks my heart reading their story.
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The Gospel According to Jehovah's Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones explains the watchtower gospel much better than i can.. "the good news that christians in the first century preached was the birth, death and resurrection of jesus christ; that all those who believed in him were saved and reconciled to god through the death of his son.. unfortunately jehovah’s witnesses) have been led to believe it is something bizarrely different.
the good news according to the watchtower society is as follows:.
the the good news (according to jehovah’s witnesses).
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The new light doctrine is nonsense. I explained the reason why in one of my very first posts upon joining this group.
A brief synopsis of my post -
You have a candle 🕯️ then you decide that you need to replace that candle with a new one. So you snuff out that candle flame and toss the candle in the dustbin before you set up your brand new candle 🕯️.
After a period of time you decide that you need to replace the candle for a new one. Out goes the old 🕯️ candle and you bring in a new one.
Think about this. Have these changes resulted in new light? Yes. Has the light become brighter? No. Because you only ever have one candle 🕯️ sitting on the table. You can keep swapping your old candle for a new candle but the light never gets brighter.
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Keep telling yourself that!
by Lost in the fog inin the latest copy of the elders textbook someone kindly made available to us on this website, i see that "independently organized meetings for spiritual feeding" are still not allowed.
no wonder because independent research would let the scales fall from the eyes.. the gb still insisting that they are guided by the (always lower case) holy spirit and the bible!!
not that the rank and file members need the bible or holy spirit themselves because they are fed through meetings, conventions, assemblies, jw broadcasting and the publications.
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In the latest copy of the elders textbook someone kindly made available to us on this website, I see that "independently organized meetings for spiritual feeding" are still not allowed. No wonder because independent research would let the scales fall from the eyes.
The GB still insisting that they are guided by the (always lower case) holy spirit and the Bible!! Not that the rank and file members need the Bible or Holy Spirit themselves because they are fed through meetings, conventions, assemblies, JW broadcasting and the publications. In other words we the GB are telling you all what to think, believe and say.
Last paragraph: In this way all of God's people will be brainwashed as mindless robots to do what they are told to do.
How on earth can the GB persist in claiming that Holy Spirit directs them when we all see the doctrinal and chronological flip-flops this organization made and continues to make!?
They are either psychotic or delusional or perhaps both.
I am so glad that I am POMO just sad that some of my family is still stuck in the mire.
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Call The Police and Press Charges.
by Lost in the fog init strikes me as a double standard - if someone in the congregation is known by the elders to be a child abuser they wouldn't call the police and "bring reproach on jehovah" as numerous reports have shown.. however, if someone disturbs a congregation meeting the elders are instructed by the org to call the police and tell the police that they want to press charges against the individual.. you couldn't make this stuff up!.
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It strikes me as a double standard - if someone in the congregation is known by the elders to be a child abuser they wouldn't call the police and "bring reproach on Jehovah" as numerous reports have shown.
However, if someone disturbs a congregation meeting the elders are instructed by the Org to call the police and tell the police that they want to press charges against the individual.
You couldn't make this stuff up!
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Reproof announcement wording.
by Jofi_Wofo inhey, all.
i had an old memory pop into my head today about an oddly worded announcement made by an elder at a meeting back when i was a bible study.
i couldn't find anything in the wol nor on google about it, so i wondered if this was just some rogue one-off, or if this is the way things used to be announced.
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Vidqun.
The instructions were that you shouldn't have the general talk on the matter in the same Service Meeting as the one where the reproof was announced.
I mean the brief announcement was to let the congregation know that this person had committed some sinful act and wasn't going to be disfellowshipped but was still having some sort of prohibition placed upon them. The only people - in theory anyway - who knew the details were the person themselves and the brothers who served on the committee.
Naturally, after that announcement, the congregation were all "ooh I wonder what they were getting up to?" If a talk on the very same night warned everyone against doing _______ , well it sort of gave the secret away!
We were always told if possible to wait a while before giving "the talk" usually during a future local needs item. Unless of course the sinful act was known about in the community outside of the congregation - that was the only time that the talk was to be given immediately following the announcement.
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Merry Christmas
by jhine ini don't think that it's too early for my annual merry christmas thread .
merry christmas everyone.
jan .
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Merry Christmas Jan.
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why celebrate xmas?
by enoughisenough inmany on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.
one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.
( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.
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Well I grew up inside the religion so I had no experience of celebrating it and the WT told you to steer clear of all the things associated with it because of its pagan origins. I remember talks full of big long quotes out of "The Two Babylons" book by Alexander Hislop (which was also full of ludicrous assumptions and tenuous connection to myths.)
But as I live in the Northern Hemisphere when winter nights are dark and cold, I personally used to be cheered up walking home from the meetings and seeing white lights festooned on deciduous tree branches. It was light in the darkness.
After I went fully POMO I had no issue sending Christmas cards to friends and acquaintances, or giving a gift to work colleagues to say thank-you for all of their hard work in the year gone past. I enjoyed the mince pies, the works parties with Xmas Fare and the boss buying alcoholic beverages for their staff!
Was it a rebellion against my JW upbringing? No it wasn't. It was me being a normal human being in the society beyond 'The Society'.
The early Christian Church celebrated festivals fully aware that they were created to supplant the pagan ones. They simply dedicated the festival to God/Jesus instead of whichever pagan deity had owned the occasion previously. In fact, when you think about it Jehovah Witnesses do the same thing in a similar way. They buy an old church or church hall, strip it out and convert it into a kingdom hall. Then they have (in our case it was someone over from the Bethel) to give a Dedication Talk and rededicate the building "to the worship of Jehovah God in the local community". So what's the difference I ask you?
And finally, Bro CT Russell had no issue with celebrating Christmas. In the December 1, 1904 WT magazine, Page 3468, this is what he wrote:
The way I see it, I have no problems joining in and celebrating a joyous and bright festival in the middle of a dark, dismal season of the year. If you, for whatever reason, don't wish to that's up to you, but no worries.
And while I am here "Season's Greetings to Everyone" and wishing us all a happy and healthy New Year 2023 whatever you believe.
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Anyone know of specific subliminal pictures?
by cognac inthe only one i know about is the big jesus in the revelation book.. know of any specific other ones?
i want to show hubby....
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I can remember an elder in our former congregation pointing out the demonic faces (hidden, in plain sight) in the big red Live Forever book.
And a few months later the WT came out saying something along the lines that this was untrue and a slight on the hardworking artists in the art department at Bethel.
I'll have to try and see if I still have the book in a box up in the loft. If I do I'll post the pictures we were shown and you can make up your own mind.